How Important Is FTP Access to You?
I have discussed the lack of no FTP (File Transfer Protocol) access with several Ning Team Members, since this platform feature was removed. I think it would be interesting to hear from fellow Network Creators and find out how important is this feature to you and your Network?
If you're not familiar with FTP access, this discussion topic probably doesn't affect you. If you want to hear a little more, I'll try to explain. This is a method used to upload files to a hosted location - - a place to store your files like for scripts, or 3rd party sliders, etc...
Currently, the Ning platform does not enable FTP access. Instead, Ning built what is called the File Manager. The problem with the File Manager method, the uploaded files are uploaded to the Ning API, and the file path names are very long. But that's not the entire problem. The limitations with this type of file uploading method are severe.
If you need to upload several files (scripts, images, css, etc...) or a folder containing all the files needed to add something like a slider to your Ning Network, you cannot. You either have to upload to an external host and call your application into your Ning Network via an iFrame, or attempt to upload many files via the File Manager, and edit your code throughout using the long Ning API file paths.
With FTP access, the paths would be relative and never change. For example, you would upload your new image, keeping the same file name, something like: slide1.jpg.
Your code would already contain the calling path for slide1.jpg. Therefore, that's all you would need to do to update your slider. The calling path would stay the same http://yourning.com/slider/images/slide1.jpg.
Why Did Ning Remove FTP Access?
I think most experienced NCs understand why Ning removed FTP access. I'm sure it was a nightmare with access to backend files, and newbies wiping out files, probably NCs uploading files that had nothing to do with their Ning site, Security issues, file serving load times, cost for Support Team to stay on top of the problems, etc...
However, we desperately need a way to upload files, without having to change filename paths, therefore having to edit all code for one simple app.
I suggest that Ning build the following File Upload Interface:
Fellow Network Creators, what are your thoughts?
Thanks in advance to everyone!
Well I figure, promises are made and promises are broken. And that's life. And I do believe when that person wrote that email, they totally meant it, and completely believed it would always be the case. And I'm okay with that. In fact, I truly understand why that decision was made. But, I wanted to make a point. =) FTP access and removal, I'll never be okay with that.
Thanks for all your input,
I understand the loss of access to source code, but could take forever to give my thoughts on that. A few:
And the list goes on...
Thanks for all your input,
My purpose creating this discussion is not to debate the best method, just want a way to upload multiple files and have relative paths, and more for my Design Clients and VIP Members, than myself.
I really don't know what else to say. I won't dance with you on this.
Okay, I'll bite since you've made statements that are not accurate. First, your opinion is as important as mine. But, doesn't mean your thought process is the best.
Second, you need to get your facts straight. I by far chose Ning because of it's simplicity, quite the contrary. Ning was a robust open-source platform that offered full FTP access. And these were the two biggest reasons I chose this platform.
As this platform has grown, progressed, changed, I've been there. I like change. This just happens to be one that I don't agree with, and never will. And last, I have said more than once I don't care if we regain FTP access, just a better way to upload multiple files with relative paths. This is not an unimportant topic as you have insinuated. This is a critical feature that Ning needs to find a way to restore. And for the record, a member of Team Ning suggested that I create this discussion to gain valuable feedback.
not to mention sitemap updates and stuff lke thsat it is criticle to have some form of ftop or webdav with e]root and folder access
we are paying a hell of alot of money more then youd pasy for most platforms but we are missing the most basic access that comes with the cheapest or even free websites and cs]=ms
youd think if yir payinjg for 1 of the most expensive website systems out there it would have at least the most baic features found in the cr[heapest plus a few bells and whistles yea we get some nifty bells and whix]stles that do make ning wi[orth the extra money..but without te basics ..its harder abd hardr to justify
sure all tghe features aree nice but if we cant uoploadand manage filkesproperly
if we cant update our sitemaops rgularly andwithout the hassle of storing it on a seperarte host then downloading the index diting the urls to point to the ubdomainthen reuploading
itsreally a pain and it really is crucial that we hafve the very baic stuff youd get with any website
Jen I completely understand the point towards your clients. I tried to do some design work for Ning creators, but they always end up asking me about development type stuff. When I inform them that there is a roadblock there, some have said forget it too, others have spent more money elsewhere to get what they need.
Point being, Ning doesn't get that extra money.
Thanks for your input. And, exactly.
most who know anything about site design ofcourse know about g=ftp
only those with zero skills wouldnt know what ftp is and wouldnt use it
yea thereare a few ncxs that have no internet skills whatsoever nor are willingto learn what a url is
but thats a small number
and most ncs learn asthey go so by the time they have a site up several months they can bo some basic stuff like edit css and upload files
the fact is they use ftp daily without knowing it
your uploading those photos to the server
but you have no control over where they f=go how they are refferebnced etc
when you use a photo for a comment
you upload the photo
you use the same photo for a second comment instead of uploading to the same place so only taking up limkited sopace it uploads as a seperarte file with a diferent url
i use the same welcome coment pics daily
thats 13k or so as an example
x 7000 members welcomed and it takes up a huge amount of server sopace for esentialy whats 1 single picture
hows that smart?
if it uoploaded to the same space same url and asked is it ok to overright then that picture would load faster always being in cache (not seen as a seperate picture each load) and would take up 1/7000th the space on the server